{"id":8113,"date":"2026-10-10T05:19:13","date_gmt":"2026-10-10T05:19:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/?p=8113"},"modified":"2026-10-10T05:51:31","modified_gmt":"2026-10-10T05:51:31","slug":"qualcomm-vs-arm-trial-day-5-case-in-jurys-hands-arguments-conclude-in-bench-trial-my-final-take","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/qualcomm-vs-arm-trial-day-5-case-in-jurys-hands-arguments-conclude-in-bench-trial-my-final-take\/","title":{"rendered":"Qualcomm vs. Arm Trial, Day 5 \u2013 Case in Jury\u2019s Hands, Arguments Conclude in Bench Trial, My Final Take"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"wpb-content-wrapper\"><p>[vc_row fullwidth=&#8221;yes&#8221;][vc_column][vc_column_text css=&#8221;{&#8220;margin-bottom&#8220;:&#8220;35px&#8220;}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-8114 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Qualconn_Arm_Case2_day5-v1_TantraAnalyst.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"731\" height=\"366\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Qualconn_Arm_Case2_day5-v1_TantraAnalyst.jpeg 1600w, https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Qualconn_Arm_Case2_day5-v1_TantraAnalyst-300x150.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Qualconn_Arm_Case2_day5-v1_TantraAnalyst-1024x512.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Qualconn_Arm_Case2_day5-v1_TantraAnalyst-768x384.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Qualconn_Arm_Case2_day5-v1_TantraAnalyst-1536x768.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 731px) 100vw, 731px\" \/><\/span><\/h6>\n<h5><\/h5>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Coverage of previous days: <\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<h6><strong><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Day 1: <a style=\"color: #808080;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/4zk6nSY\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Opening Statements, CEOs take the stand<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/strong><\/h6>\n<h6><strong><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Day 2: <span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/4ARZedV\">ALA Commitments and Bloomberg leak in focus<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/h6>\n<h6><strong><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Day 3:<span style=\"color: #800000;\"> <a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3Uflcar\">Focus on License Rates, Judge\u2019s Questions on Remedy, and XXXXXX<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/h6>\n<h6><strong><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Day 4: <span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/4yeso4D\">More XXXXX, Companies Rest Their Case, and Other Considerations<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/h6>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Summary of Day 5:<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">The day began with closing statements from the plaintiff, Qualcomm, followed by defendant Arm. Qualcomm\u2019s statement was presented jointly by <span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/4jfAdmJ\">Karen Dunn<\/a> <\/span>and <span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/4hLJEIg\">Bill Isaacson<\/a>.<\/span> Karen made a rather emotional and animated presentation. The lawyers reiterated the allegations against Arm: 1) Breach of ALA by not offering OOBs and patches; 2) Breach of TLA by not offering the license in a timely manner, and when offered, it was not in good faith, and charged more than 10% of the previous best deal; 3) Interfering with Qualcomm\u2019s business with Meta by sending letters to its customers and leaking its termination letter to Bloomberg. The statement was sprinkled with key highlights and findings from the testimonies, along with the damage claims. Karen also said this was a fight of principles for Qualcomm.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Arm\u2019s closing statement was presented by its lawyer <span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3TQ3ABS\">Gregg LoCascio<\/a><\/span>. His presentation was more businesslike, reiterating Arm\u2019s points denying Qualcomm\u2019s claims: 1) Made a rather new argument which was not ever made during the arguments\u2014OOBs and patches are customizations, and are part of the support and maintenance contract, not ALA; 2) TLA didn\u2019t have the option to request license offers after the first year of the contract; even then Arm offered the license in good faith, and Arm didn\u2019t overcharge Qualcomm; 3) Arm\u2019s publicizing of the license letter didn\u2019t harm Qualcomm at Meta, and whatever damage Qualcomm showed was because of other factors. Arm\u2019s statement also included key highlights from the testimony.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">The jury received a long, complex verdict sheet with more than 30 questions and options. They spent a few hours deliberating till end of the day and will continue Tuesday.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">While the jury deliberated, the bench trial resumed with testimony from Qualcomm economics expert Eric Posner on \u201cInput Foreclosure,\u201d damage expert Patrick Kennedy, and Arm\u2019s Chief Legal Officer Spencer Collins (both sealed). It concluded with testimony from Arm\u2019s economic expert, Timothy Simcoe.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Both Qualcomm and Arm CEOs and their General Counsels were present today, underscoring the case&#8217;s importance to both companies.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Key points from Qualcomm\u2019s closing statement:<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Arm withheld OOBs and patches \u2013 key deliverables owed to Qualcomm under ALA<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Despite the lack of support, Qualcomm was able to reallocate resources to verify and ship its chips \u2013 but this came at a cost in time, salaries, and manpower<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Qualcomm made an Initial Request for a new TLA that Arm failed to respond to promptly and, when offered (for peripheral IP), it wasn\u2019t in good faith<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">This caused Qualcomm to postpone and finally cancel chips<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Arm was charging more than 10% of the last best deal for TLA, and switched from Samsung to MediaTek<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Arm stated that it will make money no matter if Qualcomm makes chips or not; other Arm licensees can address the demand<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Arm discussed unwinding its ALA and called Qualcomm an \u201cenemy\u201d during Qualcomm\u2019s Nuvia acquisition<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Arm interfered with Qualcomm\u2019s business with Meta by sending the license cancellation letter to Qualcomm\u2019s customers, including Meta, and leaking the license notice to Bloomberg News, and caused significant harm<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Arm insisted on a distinction between its legal entities: Arm Ltd and Arm Holdings Plc, but Arm\u2019s testimony showed that it\u2019s one Arm, and Rene Haas is its CEO<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Reminded the jury that their decision would be based on the preponderance of the evidence, i.e., whether it is more likely than not that Arm did what Qualcomm alleges. This is a different threshold than \u201cbeyond a reasonable doubt,\u201d which is reserved for criminal cases.<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">This is a flight of principles for Qualcomm<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Key points from Arm\u2019s closing statement:<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">OOBs and patches are \u201ccustom,\u201d and customizations are not \u201cArm technology\u201d and part of the support and maintenance contract, not ALA \u2013 this is a new argument by Arm and was never used during the arguments. Would be interesting to see how the jury treats this<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Lack of OOBs and patches did not harm Qualcomm \u2013 no chip delays, no catastrophic failure, etc.<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Qualcomm\u2019s request for a renewal of TLA was not considered an initial request<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Arm was not obligated to give a TLA offer after 12 months of the initial offer, but offered it anyway; Qualcomm did not show proof of any harm because of this<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">That Arm was reasonable in completing its previous best deal analysis by including its \u201ctotal financial considerations,\u201d and did not overcharge Qualcomm<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Arm did not know about Qualcomm\u2019s relationship with Meta regarding data center chips<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Any delay and alleged harm in Qualcomm\u2019s Meta relationship is because of Meta\u2019s low confidence in Qualcomm\u2019s abilities, and not because of Arm\u2019s letter or publicizing license notice<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">This case by Qualcomm was all about payback for Arm suing it (first case) and getting leverage for negotiations<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">QC is vigorously pursuing RISC-V<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Hostilities escalated on both sides after Nuvia acquisition<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Jury verdict form: <\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">There are really only three questions: 1) ALA breach; 2) TLA breach; 3) Interference. However, because of differing opinions about Arm\u2019s entities (Arm Holdings Plc and Arm Ltd) and multiple products in the claims, the jury form has become ridiculously long, with more than 30 questions (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Qualcomm-v.-Arm-_VerdictForm.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">downloadable here<\/span><\/a>).<\/span><\/h6>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Key points from economics experts\u2019 testimony:<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Eric Posner presented \u201cInput Foreclosure\u201d analysis of Arm, illustrating that, as an upstream supplier dominating a critical input (the Arm ISA), it can foreclose access to customers (Qualcomm and others) by raising prices or degrading the input<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Arm questioned its lack of market definition, and the dominance of x86, and the judge asked how Arm can foreclose on major players like hyperscalers \u2013 Eric replied that the need for power-efficient compute for data centers might give that kind of power to Arm<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Timothy Simcoe testified that Arm was engaging in \u201ccoopetition\u201d in which it both cooperates with and competes with companies in the same market. He argued that Arm\u2019s entry into chipmaking would benefit customers by increasing their options and improving quality. Timothy also said that x86 is a competitor to Arm, even though it is only working with Intel\/AMD, and that in the long term RISC-V could compete with the Arm ISA as well<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Qualcomm questioned the feasibility of RISC-V becoming a competitor to Arm in the near future<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Tantra\u2019s take:<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Here is my take on the jury trials, FWIW:<\/span><\/h6>\n<ol>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">On the ALA breach, Qualcomm has made a strong case, except for Arm\u2019s last-minute \u201ccustomization\u201d argument, which the jury might disregard as they have not heard it before<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">On the TLA breach, Qualcomm has made good arguments, but Arm has brought some interesting questions on motivation, etc., to sow doubt in the jury\u2019s mind<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">On the interference claim, Qualcomm has an airtight case, with solid arguments and proof<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Since most of the views I expressed in yesterday\u2019s blog remain unaddressed, I am including them here as a reference and for continuity.<\/span><\/h6>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">No clarity on when and how the motion for judgment was moved by Arm will be decided. It seems the jury verdict might nullify that<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Both parties will also present closing arguments in the bench trial tomorrow, which the judge will decide. The biggest issue here is judgment on the v10 license and the rates. This decision will most likely take several months<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">If, in this bench case, Qualcomm prevails, then there is an even bigger question about the remedy. The judge is unwilling to arbitrate the license rates. So, there is a lot of uncertainty<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">There was a bench trial for this case earlier in the month, where the validity of the remedy mentioned in the contract vis-\u00e0-vis California law was debated. The judge has indicated that she will most likely rule in favor of Arm. But she is yet to give an official ruling<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Of course, there is a strong possibility that, no matter which party wins, the losing party will appeal. And that applies to all the cases mentioned above<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Added to that, the appeal for the first case is coming up in the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit later this month.<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Keep checking on my social X (<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/2XA0LTC\">@MyTechMusings<\/a> <\/span>)and<span style=\"color: #800000;\"> <a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/TA_Li\">LinkedIn<\/a><\/span> handles to get updates on jury progress and decision, and bench trial and other open issues.<\/span><\/h6>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row]<\/p>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[vc_row fullwidth=&#8221;yes&#8221;][vc_column][vc_column_text css=&#8221;{&#8220;margin-bottom&#8220;:&#8220;35px&#8220;}&#8221;] Coverage of previous days: Day 1: Opening Statements, CEOs take the stand Day 2: ALA Commitments and Bloomberg leak in focus Day 3: Focus on License Rates, Judge\u2019s Questions on Remedy, and XXXXXX Day 4: More XXXXX, Companies Rest Their Case, and Other Considerations &nbsp; Summary of Day 5: The day began [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":8114,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"image","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[107],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8113","post","type-post","status-publish","format-image","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-blog","post_format-post-format-image"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8113","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8113"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8113\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8124,"href":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8113\/revisions\/8124"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/8114"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8113"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8113"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8113"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}