{"id":4343,"date":"2022-11-09T04:35:57","date_gmt":"2022-11-09T04:35:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/?p=4343"},"modified":"2022-12-26T15:51:18","modified_gmt":"2022-12-26T15:51:18","slug":"qualcomm-arm-legal-spat-regarding-nuvia-becomes-more-bitter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/qualcomm-arm-legal-spat-regarding-nuvia-becomes-more-bitter\/","title":{"rendered":"Qualcomm, Arm legal spat regarding Nuvia becomes more bitter"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_4344\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4344\" style=\"width: 702px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3Tn2V4y\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-4344 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/221009_Qualcomm_Arm_legal_spa_Insights_TantraAnalyst.jpg\" alt=\"Qualcomm\" width=\"702\" height=\"336\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/221009_Qualcomm_Arm_legal_spa_Insights_TantraAnalyst.jpg 702w, https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/221009_Qualcomm_Arm_legal_spa_Insights_TantraAnalyst-300x144.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/221009_Qualcomm_Arm_legal_spa_Insights_TantraAnalyst-700x336.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/ta\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/221009_Qualcomm_Arm_legal_spa_Insights_TantraAnalyst-20x10.jpg 20w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 702px) 100vw, 702px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4344\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Fierce Wireless News, November 09, 2022<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">When the legal struggle between long-term allies Qualcomm and Arm became public, everybody thought it was an innocuous case that would quickly settle. Although I believe that is still the case, the recent uptick in hostilities points to a more convoluted battle.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">It all started when Qualcomm announced and finally\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3A58rlJ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">acquired<\/a><\/span>\u00a0processor design startup Nuvia in 2021. Nuvia was developing a new CPU architecture that it claims\u00a0is superior to anything in the market. Qualcomm has\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3A58rlJ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">publicly stated<\/a><\/span>\u00a0that it will use Nuvia designs and the team for its entire portfolio, including smartphones, tablets, PCs, Automotive, IoT\u00a0and others.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Nuvia&#8217;s designs run Arm&#8217;s instruction set. It had an Instruction\u00a0Set Architecture (ISA) license from Arm, with certain licensing fees. This license is also known as Architecture License Agreement (ALA) in legal documents. Since Qualcomm also has an ALA with Arm, with a different licensing fee structure, there is a difference of opinion between Qualcomm and Arm on which contract should apply to Nuvia&#8217;s current designs and its evolutions.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">If you want to know more about the types of licensing Arm offers and other details, check out <span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3wK1DrZ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">this article<\/a><\/span>.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">According to the\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3hviF8w\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">court documents<\/a><\/span>, the discussions between Qualcomm and Arm broke down, and unexpectedly, Arm unilaterally canceled Nuvia&#8217;s ALA and asked it to destroy all its designs. It even demanded Qualcomm not to use Nuvia engineers for any CPU designs for three years. Arm officially\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3DAuNMK\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">filed the case<\/a><\/span>\u00a0against Qualcomm on August 31, 2022.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Qualcomm filed its\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3hviF8w\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">reply<\/a><\/span>\u00a0on September 30, 2022, summarily rejecting Arm&#8217;s claims. Following that, on October 26, 2022, Qualcomm filed an\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3tfYJJm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">amendment<\/a><\/span>\u00a0alleging that Arm misrepresented Qualcomm&#8217;s license agreement in front of Qualcomm&#8217;s customers. Further, it asked the court to enjoin Arm from such actions.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h4><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Why is Arm really suing Qualcomm? Is it about the PC market?<\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Easy question first. No, it&#8217;s not just about the PC market. Qualcomm&#8217;s intention to use Nuvia designs across its portfolio is an issue for Arm.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Qualcomm has both ALA and Technology License Agreement (TLA) with Arm. The former is required if you are using only Arm&#8217;s instruction set, and the latter if you use cores designed by Arm. TLA fees are magnitudes higher than ALA. Qualcomm currently uses Arm cores and TLA licensing. According to Strategy Analytics analyst Sravan Kundojjala, it pays an estimated 20 \u2013 30 cents per chip to Arm.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Since Qualcomm negotiated the contract years ago, its ALA rate is probably very low. So, if Qualcomm adopts Nuvia designs for its entire portfolio, it will only pay this lower ALA fee to Arm. For Arm, that puts all the revenue coming from Qualcomm at risk. That is problematic for Arm, especially when it is getting ready for its IPO.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">With the Nuvia acquisition, Arm saw an opportunity to renegotiate Qualcomm&#8217;s licensing contract. Moreover, Nuvia&#8217;s ALA rate must be much higher than Qualcomm&#8217;s. That is because of two reasons. First, Nuvia was a startup with little negotiation leverage. And second, it was designing higher-priced, low-volume chips, whereas Qualcomm primarily sells lower-priced, high-volume chips. So, it is in Arm&#8217;s favor to insist Qualcomm pay Nuvia&#8217;s rate. But Qualcomm disagrees, as it thinks its ALA covers Nuvia designs.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h4><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Core questions of the dispute<\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Notwithstanding many claims and counterclaims, this is purely a contract dispute and boils down to these two core questions:<\/span><\/h6>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Does Nuvia&#8217;s ALA require mandatory consent from Arm to transfer its designs to a third party, Qualcomm?<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Does Qualcomm&#8217;s ALA cover the designs they acquire from a third party, in this case, Nuvia?<\/span><\/h6>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Clearly, there is a disagreement between the parties regarding these questions. Since the contracts are confidential, we can only guess and analyze them based on the court filings. I am sure many things are happening behind the scenes as well.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Let&#8217;s start with the first one. Since Nuvia was a startup, its acquisition by a third party was given. I am assuming there is some language about this in the ALA. But, interestingly, Arm, in its complaint, hasn&#8217;t cited any specific clause of the contract supporting this. Arm only claims Nuvia requires consent. The argument that Arm didn&#8217;t want to disclose that in a public document doesn&#8217;t also hold. They could have cited the clause with the details redacted, just like other clauses mentioned there.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">In the\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3tfYJJm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">amended Qualcomm filing<\/a><\/span>, there is some language about needing consent to &#8220;assign&#8221; the license to the new owner. But according to Qualcomm, it doesn&#8217;t need this license &#8220;assignment&#8221; as it has its own ALA.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">If there is no specific clause in the Nuvia ALA regarding the acquisition by an existing Arm licensee. Then shame on the Arm contract team.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">There is not much clarity on the second question. Most of Arm&#8217;s claims in the case are related to Nuvia ALA. Qualcomm claims it has wide-ranging licensing contracts with Arm that cover using Nuvia&#8217;s designs. But I am sure this question about Qualcomm ALA will come up as the case progresses.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h4><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Closing thoughts<\/strong><\/span><\/h4>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Qualcomm and Arm have been great partners for a long time. Together they have created a vast global ecosystem. However, recent developments point to a significant rift between the two. Especially, Qualcomm&#8217;s allegation about Arm threatening to cancel its license in front of Qualcomm&#8217;s customers is troubling. There was some alleged talk of Arm changing its business model and other extremities, which might also unnerve other licensees. We are yet to hear Arm&#8217;s reply to these allegations.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">I think the widely anticipated out-of-court settlement is still the logical solution. When the case enters the discovery phase, both parties will have access to each other&#8217;s evidence and understand the relative strengths. Usually, that triggers a settlement.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">In my opinion, both parties wouldn&#8217;t be interested in a lengthy court battle. Arm is looking for IPO and doesn&#8217;t need this threat hanging over its head, which will spook its investors. Qualcomm is planning a major push into the PC market in collaboration with Microsoft, and supposedly planning its future SoC roadmap on Nuvia designs. So, it would also like to end the uncertainty at the earliest. Notwithstanding this case, Qualcomm seems to be going ahead with its plans.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">We are still in the very early stage of this case. Arm lawyers have extensive licensing experience, and Qualcomm&#8217;s lawyers are battle-hardened from their recent lawsuits against Apple and FTC. I will be closely watching the developments and writing about them. So, be on the lookout.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\">Meanwhile, If you want to read more articles like this and get an up-to-date analysis of the latest mobile and tech industry news, sign-up for our monthly newsletter at\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/TA-Newsletter\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">TantraAnalyst.com\/Newsletter<\/a><\/span>, or listen to our\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/TA_Podcast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tantra&#8217;s Mantra podcast<\/a><\/span>.<\/span><\/h6>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #808080;\"><em>Prakash Sangam is the founder and principal at\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.tantraanalyst.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tantra Analyst<\/a><\/span>, a leading boutique research and advisory firm. He is a recognized expert in\u00a05G, Wi-Fi, AI, Cloud and IoT. To read articles like this and get an up-to-date analysis of the latest mobile and tech industry news, sign-up for our monthly newsletter at\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/TA-Newsletter\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">TantraAnalyst.com\/Newsletter<\/a><\/span>, or listen to our\u00a0<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><a style=\"color: #800000;\" href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/TA_Podcast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tantra&#8217;s Mantra podcast<\/a><\/span>.<\/em><\/span><\/h6>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When the legal struggle between long-term allies Qualcomm and Arm became public, everybody thought it was an innocuous case that would quickly settle. Although I believe that is still the case, the recent uptick in hostilities points to a more convoluted battle. It all started when Qualcomm announced and finally\u00a0acquired\u00a0processor design startup Nuvia in 2021. 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